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    I Love F.D.N.Y. / T-Shirt Ethics!

    from the NYTimes, 10/6/02

    THE ETHICIST

    I Love F.D.N.Y.
    By RANDY COHEN

    I bought an F.D.N.Y. T-shirt online to benefit a firefighters' fund. When I wore it to lunch, I wasn't charged for drinks, supposedly because my order was slow. But then I overheard the waitress tell the manager, ''I didn't charge that nice firefighter for his beers.'' I bought this shirt to support firefighters, not to impersonate one. I don't want favors under false pretenses. This wasn't the only time people were almost too cordial when I wore this shirt. Should I be reluctant to wear it? --Vince Leskosky, Cleveland

    Wear your shirt with pride; your intent is not to deceive waitresses but to laud the F.D.N.Y. And surely anyone who thinks about it for a moment will realize that there are a lot more such shirts in circulation than there are firefighters in New York. (Similarly, there are a lot more New York Mets shirts than there are Mets -- not that either the shirts or the players are much in evidence these days.)

    It would be sad indeed if you came to distrust every act of generosity. Some kindness will flow your way from people who simply share your respect for New York firefighters. (You'd get far fewer complimentary beverages if you wore a T-shirt emblazoned ''I Hate Puppies.'') But while it is good to assume the best about people, this does not eliminate the need to be discerning. If someone seems to believe you are a firefighter, you might gently set him straight, even if it means having to buy your own beer. And it should be remembered that firefighters themselves are restrained from accepting certain gratuities. You might also want to make an effort to buy only authentic gear that really benefits the group you admire; there's a lot of unauthorized stuff floating around.

    One final thought: It would be wrong for you to go to lunch wearing your F.D.N.Y. shirt with high rubber boots while toting an ax and a coil of hose.

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    I'm hoping to be in New York early next year (fingers crossed!) and would definitely like to buy some authentic FDNY gear - where do I go for that, one of the firehouses....?

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    What the author means, I believe, is that one should only buy from authorized stock/merchants-- not all the rip-off mercenaries. so how about buying a cap & shirt from this site!

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    Chris, I would buy merchandise from this site like a shot but I don't live in the US and it states quite clearly on the home page that no international orders can be accepted. So unfortunately I will have to wait until I'm in NY to buy my share. Therefore I still need to know where I can buy the authentic stuff when I'm there so I can avoid the shoddy rip-offs you're talking about.
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    hmmmm,

    you got a good point there. And, as we don't have a physical store, it's not like anyone can pop right in.

    The International shipping really bothers me, because I really want to get stuff out to everyone. But, the shipping logistics are difficult and expensive.

    We've got tax issues, lost orders, bad tracking, incredibly high shipping charges like $50 to send a $15 shirt.

    I remember reading about problems that Amazon and some bigger companies have had with this, and I think they 'solved' it by putting warehouses in other countries. That would be quite hard for us, I think.

    I've got a few ideas to get it done, but I'll have to wait till I hire an Executive Director or something to manage all of this.
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    In regards to the article, it's interesting that baseball players were mentioned.

    We've been asked, as firefighters, how we feel about everyone wearing 'our' shirts, and I always looked at it as being similar to wearing shirts of your favorite teams.
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    I forgot about the international order troubles. So, Emily, we'll figure something out by the time of your trip! Keep in touch!

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    I certainly will keep in touch I'm not going to leave New York without a genuine FDNY shirt at the very least... And Brian, I'm glad to hear you firefighters are okay with everyone wearing FDNY shirts - I see it the same way as you - showing support for a particularly good "team"..
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    Slight change of plans... :P

    Bit of a long and involved story to go into here, but the upshot is -there's been a change of plan and I will be in New York late next month instead of next year.

    Just keeping you posted as requested...

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    Em,

    email me what you want so I can get it together now. It takes time for even me to get the items. And, I sometimes forget to do things right away, so having as much time as possible is best.

    Unfortunately, some people wait till the week before they are showing up and there is just no way we can 'jump' like that. I barely have time for sleeping.

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    Thanks, Brian, I'll do that this weekend. Sorry for the short notice but I didn't know until yesterday that I would be travelling in less than a month's time now. I'll be in touch - and get some sleep!!!!

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    INTERNATIONAL ORDERS SHIPPING

    Hi all!

    I am selling some items donated to the Fallen Brothers Foundation on the ebay seller site fallen_brothers_foundation. I have sold a lot of the jewelry I've donated to international buyers and I always cover the shipping costs on these purchases. I would be glad to handle the shipping of some of these items if it is feasible.

    It is a little more costly than I'd like but, after all, what's the purpose of this? We want to gain support for FDNY and Fallen Brothers Foundation worldwide.

    I've sent to Germany, Thailand, France, Greece and, of course, Canada. These packages get there unbelievably quick (less than 4 days to Germany).

    So, Brian, talk to me......if you want me to do these, I will.

    On a lighter note, regarding FDNY t-shirts: I live in Las Vegas and there was a Firefighters' Bachelor Auction where 3 NY Firefighters were also "auctioned" off. At the news conferences in front of the New York/New York Hotel Casino, the firefighters were the only ones not wearing FDNY shirts.

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    Bri,

    Did you get my email? I'm not sure if it got through to you - let me know if it didn't and I'll re-send the info via private message...

    Reading Amay's email took me back to the original topic of this thread ie getting special treatment because of the shirts, and it was really interesting to read Amay's comment about the only ones NOT wearing FDNY shirts at the auction were the firefighters. It just makes me wonder if many guys out there "forget" to set the record straight about not really being firefighters, once women start to take an interest. Then again, who'd want to be with someone who only likes you for what you are, rather than who you are?

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    Adonna (amay),

    I'll discuss this with you this week. We might be able to do something 'simple'

    I hadn't even thought about it, since you do so much with the auctions.

    thanks
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    Emily,

    got your email. Haven't looked at it or responded yet. I'm way behind in reading my emails. But, I think I'll be able to light a fire under my butt.

    As for the FDNY firefighters not wearing t-shirts, I don't see many baseball players walking around in their uniforms every day. I know when I wear mine around the house, after a while it feels odd, since I would normally only wear them at work.

    And how much Navy Blue are we expected to wear, anyway.
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