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    FDNY: Closed Engine Areas OK

    FDNY: Closed Engine Areas OK

    By William Murphy
    Staff Writer

    August 7, 2003, 7:13 PM EDT


    The elimination of six firefighting units in May has resulted in only a marginal increase in response times to emergencies, the Fire Department said Thursday.

    Four of the six neighborhoods served by the engine companies slightly exceeded the citywide response time of four minutes and 50 seconds to emergencies since the units closed, the department said.

    The firefighter unions claimed the numbers measured only the response of the first unit and did not reflect a drop-off in fire safety and response by firefighters to medical emergencies.

    "For a working fire you need two engine companies and a ladder company," said Stephen Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association.

    "You need two engine companies to stretch a hose line. That's department protocol. And one ladder company must be there for forced entry," Cassidy said.

    "If they say we are there in four minutes, all that does is stop the clock. It could be a battalion chief's car that stops the clock. That makes no difference to the people who need help," the union president said.

    The department said the arrival of the first units at emergencies had a delayed response time of seconds, not minutes.

    "The changes we have seen during the past two months are, for the most part, below our estimated increases, or in line with what we expected based upon the modeling we did before selecting these companies for closure," Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta said in a statement.

    The elimination of Engine 212 in Brooklyn, for example, resulted in a response time to fires in its immediate area of 4 minutes and 23 second, an increase of 16 seconds over the same period a year ago, the department said.

    The Brooklyn neighborhood served by Engine Co. 204 on DeGraw Street had the longest response time after the closing, 47 additional seconds, but the Astoria neighborhood once served by Engine Co. 261 had an increased response time of less than a full second, the department said.


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    FDNY says closings' effects negligible

    FDNY says closings' effects negligible


    August 7, 2003, 3:13 PM EDT


    NEW YORK (AP) _ Firefighters are taking more time to arrive at emergencies in most of the neighborhoods where fire companies were closed in May, the fire department said Thursday. However, most of the neighborhoods still have response times below the city average, the department said.

    Response times have increased in all but one of the Brooklyn, Manhattan and Queens neighborhoods that were served by the now-closed engine companies. The average increases ranged from 11 to 47 seconds. Response times in Long Island City, Queens decreased by 4 seconds.

    Only two of the neighborhoods, Long Island City and Cobble Hill, Brooklyn, have response times above the city average of four minutes and 50 seconds.

    The other communities, "despite the closures, continue to experience average response times that are better than most other communities throughout the city," Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta said in a statement.

    The firefighters' and fire officers' unions called the department figures "deliberately misleading" because they only measure the time taken by the first vehicle to arrive on scene.

    The unions called on the department to release figures measuring the arrival of the two engine companies and one ladder company required to begin firefighting operations.

    "The New York City Fire Department continues to deliberately mislead the public about response times," Uniformed Firefighters Association president Steve Cassidy said.


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